Senior Member Hair4Days Posted April 20, 2021 Senior Member Share Posted April 20, 2021 Could anyone make a case for choosing FUE over FUT in an nw 6? I know on the Norwood scale the crown dips down which eats into total donor reserves, but would you still do fue over a strip? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Melvin- Admin Posted April 20, 2021 Administrators Share Posted April 20, 2021 Yes, and I did 1 I’m a paid admin for Hair Transplant Network. I do not receive any compensation from any clinic. My comments are not medical advice. Check out my final hair transplant and topical dutasteride journey: View my thread Topical dutasteride journey Melvin- Managing Publisher and Forum Moderator for the Hair Transplant Network, the Coalition Hair Loss Learning Center, and the Hair Loss Q&A Blog. Follow our Social Media: Facebook, Instagram, Linkedin, and YouTube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Hair4Days Posted April 20, 2021 Author Senior Member Share Posted April 20, 2021 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Melvin-Moderator said: Yes, and I did Could you share how your crown looks as is? Why did you chose fue as a nw6? Edited April 20, 2021 by James C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Curious25 Posted April 20, 2021 Senior Member Share Posted April 20, 2021 Depending on the strength of your donor, it is definitely a viable option for some candidates! To give you an idea of what is possible these days . . Have a look at Dr Zarev’s NW6 transformations. They all likely have above average donor’s, however the results are truly outstanding and have all been via FUE. Dr Lorenzo has also had some very impressive 3 step restorations on NW6’s vía FUE - he has a few cases on YouTube. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member deeznuts Posted April 20, 2021 Senior Member Share Posted April 20, 2021 I feel like fue is probably happening either way. From what I've read, the ideal approach to higher NWs would be FUE + FUT. So this would be FUE vs FUE + FUT. Would I incorporate FUT as a NW6? Probably yeah, repairing a NW6 is expensive I'd imagine so if it means cutting costs while eating a bit of discomfort then yeah I'm down. Better than cutting costs in other ways I'd imagine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Hair4Days Posted April 20, 2021 Author Senior Member Share Posted April 20, 2021 2 hours ago, deeznuts said: I feel like fue is probably happening either way. From what I've read, the ideal approach to higher NWs would be FUE + FUT. So this would be FUE vs FUE + FUT. Would I incorporate FUT as a NW6? Probably yeah, repairing a NW6 is expensive I'd imagine so if it means cutting costs while eating a bit of discomfort then yeah I'm down. Better than cutting costs in other ways I'd imagine Well yeah, i think we can all agree when it comes to maximizing your lifetime yield there’s more people in favor of combining both methods.. but i was curious how successful a patient could be with fue alone as a Norwood 6. To avoid a strip scar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member SLA Posted April 20, 2021 Senior Member Share Posted April 20, 2021 2 hours ago, James C said: Well yeah, i think we can all agree when it comes to maximizing your lifetime yield there’s more people in favor of combining both methods.. but i was curious how successful a patient could be with fue alone as a Norwood 6. To avoid a strip scar I think another great example is Eugenix work with @Zoomster in which 7,000 total grafts were extracted (5,600 scalp and 1,400 beard). He was slick bald NW6+ with average donor at best. Check out his 15 month results on page 19. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Melvin- Admin Posted April 20, 2021 Administrators Share Posted April 20, 2021 13 hours ago, James C said: Could you share how your crown looks as is? Why did you chose fue as a nw6? I’ve shared it with you quite a few times. We’ve even exchanged conversations on PM two years ago about the same topic. At some point, you have to decide for yourself. best wishes, 1 I’m a paid admin for Hair Transplant Network. I do not receive any compensation from any clinic. My comments are not medical advice. Check out my final hair transplant and topical dutasteride journey: View my thread Topical dutasteride journey Melvin- Managing Publisher and Forum Moderator for the Hair Transplant Network, the Coalition Hair Loss Learning Center, and the Hair Loss Q&A Blog. Follow our Social Media: Facebook, Instagram, Linkedin, and YouTube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Hair4Days Posted April 20, 2021 Author Senior Member Share Posted April 20, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Melvin-Moderator said: I’ve shared it with you quite a few times. We’ve even exchanged conversations on PM two years ago about the same topic. At some point, you have to decide for yourself. best wishes, My apologies for not recalling a conversation we had 2 years ago. i just re-read what we touched on. No further explanation on this topic needed brother. Edited April 20, 2021 by James C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Hair4Days Posted April 20, 2021 Author Senior Member Share Posted April 20, 2021 4 hours ago, SLA said: I think another great example is Eugenix work with @Zoomster in which 7,000 total grafts were extracted (5,600 scalp and 1,400 beard). He was slick bald NW6+ with average donor at best. Check out his 15 month results on page 19. His results came out amazing for where he began. I wonder why more doctors don’t go the Fue + beard grafts route. If you can grab another 1000 grafts from the beard it makes up for the extra you could get with combining fut and fue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member SLA Posted April 20, 2021 Senior Member Share Posted April 20, 2021 20 minutes ago, James C said: His results came out amazing for where he began. I wonder why more doctors don’t go the Fue + beard grafts route. If you can grab another 1000 grafts from the beard it makes up for the extra you could get with combining fut and fue. For sure, amazing results. As for beard, there are some potential limitations. 1. Different cycles than scalp hair- beard hair can go into resting (telogen) phase more often giving transplant appearance of being more sparse at times. 2. While beard hair diameter is more robust than scalp, they usually only have 1 hair per graft rather than 2-3 commonly found in scalp grafts. One doc said that you can think of one beard graft as 60-70% of one scalp graft 3. Not everyone's beard grows exceptionally well 4. Some people's beards tend to nicely complement scalp hair, but for others there is a big mismatch such as straight scalp hair but super wavy beard hair As one recommended HT doc with tons of beard hair experience told me- 60% of the time, beard hair on scalp achieves excellent results, 20% of time moderate and 10-20% of time disasterous. I have heard most men can get 3-4k grafts from beard over the course of 2 sittings. On the bright side, those with very strong beards can get more. There is a case of someone whose story is in this forum named Rahul who went to Eugenix. He was severely bald NW7+ and had a depleted donor from a couple of other failed or partially failed HT surgeries. Since his beard was super strong, over the course of 3 surgeries, they harvested not much more than 1k scalp grafts, and 8.5k+ beard grafts and I believe a few thousand from the chest to create unbelievable results. The way the doc described his beard genetics was they are so strong that he needed to shave 2x per day. Hope this helps! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member j1mmy Posted April 20, 2021 Regular Member Share Posted April 20, 2021 What SLA said. Beard hair looks like..... beard hair on your head. Might work for some, most probably not. Add in survival rates, density, it is an adjunct for few at best. Perhaps Indian patients at an Indian clinic have more compatible matches. My course dark ginger beard is decent, but will look pretty amusing blended in with my sandy blonde straight hair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Zoomster Posted April 21, 2021 Senior Member Share Posted April 21, 2021 (edited) Damn sure I would 😉.... (Not long outa bed pic ..mid scalp where beard grafts placed ) On a more serious note @qui bonois on the Money with his advice ...I'd agree with everything hes said.. As for beard hair looking unnatural on the head versus native scalp hair I'm sorry but I dont agree at all..to this day I cant tell which from which once they are all mixed up together as a filler.. Good luck with whatever option you choose Edited April 21, 2021 by Zoomster Update 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Hair4Days Posted April 21, 2021 Author Senior Member Share Posted April 21, 2021 16 hours ago, j1mmy said: What SLA said. Beard hair looks like..... beard hair on your head. Might work for some, most probably not. Add in survival rates, density, it is an adjunct for few at best. Perhaps Indian patients at an Indian clinic have more compatible matches. My course dark ginger beard is decent, but will look pretty amusing blended in with my sandy blonde straight hair. Yeah i was going to add the disadvantage of dealing with two colors. You see a lot of beards that are a completely different shade then the scalp hair. I’d assume these patients are not candidates 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Melvin- Admin Posted April 21, 2021 Administrators Share Posted April 21, 2021 21 hours ago, j1mmy said: What SLA said. Beard hair looks like..... beard hair on your head. Might work for some, most probably not. Add in survival rates, density, it is an adjunct for few at best. Perhaps Indian patients at an Indian clinic have more compatible matches. My course dark ginger beard is decent, but will look pretty amusing blended in with my sandy blonde straight hair. You know I have jet black hair, but my beard has a lot of ginger hair. It used to bother me, but the more I think about it, the more I think it’s unique. Why would a different color blended in look bad? I mean salt and pepper looks good. My beard is mixed dark and red. I don’t think that removed you from candidacy. I believe the scalp would look just like my beard. You’d go from sandy blonde to strawberry blonde. The texture is a lot more important. Mine is pretty coarse, but relatively straight. I could comb it with a regular comb. Are you able to use a comb or do you have to use a beard brush? I do believe that’s what matters the most. 2 I’m a paid admin for Hair Transplant Network. I do not receive any compensation from any clinic. My comments are not medical advice. Check out my final hair transplant and topical dutasteride journey: View my thread Topical dutasteride journey Melvin- Managing Publisher and Forum Moderator for the Hair Transplant Network, the Coalition Hair Loss Learning Center, and the Hair Loss Q&A Blog. Follow our Social Media: Facebook, Instagram, Linkedin, and YouTube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member j1mmy Posted April 21, 2021 Regular Member Share Posted April 21, 2021 3 hours ago, Melvin-Moderator said: You know I have jet black hair, but my beard has a lot of ginger hair. It used to bother me, but the more I think about it, the more I think it’s unique. Why would a different color blended in look bad? I mean salt and pepper looks good. My beard is mixed dark and red. I don’t think that removed you from candidacy. I believe the scalp would look just like my beard. You’d go from sandy blonde to strawberry blonde. The texture is a lot more important. Mine is pretty coarse, but relatively straight. I could comb it with a regular comb. Are you able to use a comb or do you have to use a beard brush? I do believe that’s what matters the most. Yeah hat looks like a decent match to be fair, being pretty straight. My beard is barely combable when newly washed, conditioned, oiled, due to being like a curly ginger brush. Basically means I don’t ever grow it as long as yours, becomes awful. I agree texture has more to say than colour, though mine is quite a mismatch with colour too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Zoomster Posted April 21, 2021 Senior Member Share Posted April 21, 2021 3 hours ago, Melvin-Moderator said: You know I have jet black hair, but my beard has a lot of ginger hair. It used to bother me, but the more I think about it, the more I think it’s unique. Why would a different color blended in look bad? I mean salt and pepper looks good. My beard is mixed dark and red. I don’t think that removed you from candidacy. I believe the scalp would look just like my beard. You’d go from sandy blonde to strawberry blonde. The texture is a lot more important. Mine is pretty coarse, but relatively straight. I could comb it with a regular comb. Are you able to use a comb or do you have to use a beard brush? I do believe that’s what matters the most. You're Incredibly lucky to have such scalpy type texture from your beard. You're in a very good position re another procedure ..easy 2K grafts under jawline / chin ...I bet they will utilise the inner sideburns too .. You'll be closing that sunroof very soon M 💂♂️ 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Melvin- Admin Posted April 21, 2021 Administrators Share Posted April 21, 2021 5 minutes ago, Zoomster said: You're Incredibly lucky to have such scalpy type texture from your beard. You're in a very good position re another procedure ..easy 2K grafts under jawline / chin ...I bet they will utilise the inner sideburns too .. You'll be closing that sunroof very soon M 💂♂️ Yea, I cannot wait tbh. I think Eugenix are gonna do a good job. I mean even if I get 1,500 grafts. That’ll be a huge difference. We have to remember beard hair is twice as thick as scalp hair, so 1,000 grafts would cover the area of 2,000 fine hair grafts. 4 I’m a paid admin for Hair Transplant Network. I do not receive any compensation from any clinic. My comments are not medical advice. Check out my final hair transplant and topical dutasteride journey: View my thread Topical dutasteride journey Melvin- Managing Publisher and Forum Moderator for the Hair Transplant Network, the Coalition Hair Loss Learning Center, and the Hair Loss Q&A Blog. Follow our Social Media: Facebook, Instagram, Linkedin, and YouTube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Hair4Days Posted April 22, 2021 Author Senior Member Share Posted April 22, 2021 3 hours ago, Zoomster said: You're Incredibly lucky to have such scalpy type texture from your beard. You're in a very good position re another procedure ..easy 2K grafts under jawline / chin ...I bet they will utilise the inner sideburns too .. You'll be closing that sunroof very soon M 💂♂️ 2k grafts under the jaw is a game changer. That makes up for grafts they say you “lose” by not combining fut / fue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Curious25 Posted April 22, 2021 Senior Member Share Posted April 22, 2021 12 hours ago, Melvin-Moderator said: Yea, I cannot wait tbh. I think Eugenix are gonna do a good job. I mean even if I get 1,500 grafts. That’ll be a huge difference. We have to remember beard hair is twice as thick as scalp hair, so 1,000 grafts would cover the area of 2,000 fine hair grafts. Are you booked in with Eugenix Melvin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Curious25 Posted April 22, 2021 Senior Member Share Posted April 22, 2021 12 minutes ago, Curious25 said: Are you booked in with Eugenix Melvin? I've just watched JT's latest video on Eugenix's crown work - some really impressive results. I'm sure you will be on the receiving end of an equally if not more impressive result under the hands of those guys, your hair characteristics aren't too dissimilar to a lot of the patients they work on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valued Contributor Gatsby Posted April 22, 2021 Valued Contributor Share Posted April 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Curious25 said: I've just watched JT's latest video on Eugenix's crown work - some really impressive results. I'm sure you will be on the receiving end of an equally if not more impressive result under the hands of those guys, your hair characteristics aren't too dissimilar to a lot of the patients they work on. Have a look at Eugenix's latest video result only posted several hours ago on YouTube. It's another Norwood 6 case. It seems this thread has drifted a little from FUE for a NW6?, to would you use beard hair? The answer is the same answer to the original post. It depends who is doing the work? For me it's Eugenix everyday of the week! 1 GATSBY 'UNPLUGGED!' 15,671 (3 surgeries) Grafts FUE+BHT Dr. Sethi Eugenix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Melvin- Admin Posted April 22, 2021 Administrators Share Posted April 22, 2021 6 hours ago, Curious25 said: Are you booked in with Eugenix Melvin? Not yet, the situation in India is really bad. It’s worse than last year. I’m hoping things improve over the summer. But yes once I’m able too I’ll be going with Dr. Pradeep and Dr. Arika. I’m a paid admin for Hair Transplant Network. I do not receive any compensation from any clinic. My comments are not medical advice. Check out my final hair transplant and topical dutasteride journey: View my thread Topical dutasteride journey Melvin- Managing Publisher and Forum Moderator for the Hair Transplant Network, the Coalition Hair Loss Learning Center, and the Hair Loss Q&A Blog. Follow our Social Media: Facebook, Instagram, Linkedin, and YouTube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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