Lpants Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 Hello everyone, First time poster. Please excuse if I post this in the incorrect area. - I am in the process of excepting that I need a second HT. While I certainly was never over regarding my first procedure, I had enough density to style my hair without focusing on hiding my thinness. In late 2018, I switched my hair maintenance care to Dr. Cole's office. Per recommendation and my own request I switched from oral finasteride to topical. My hair has been thinning since; however, I am always told by the Cole office to keep waiting. I understand now that I have been an idiot and should have stopped listening to that professional advise and restarted the oral (There is more drama to that story which includes a 5 month period of time I moved overseas and had to use the solution every other day & another a 6 month period I was unable to get ahold of Dr. Coles office during covid. It left my feeling like I have been scammed). I believe my hair is getting worse by the month. It really looks pathetic when I try to hide/style it. Over the past 6 months I have had trouble keeping my scalp from getting inflamed and flaking. I am sure this poor scalp health is not helpful. - Anyways, I am getting those "balding blues"; where I loath looking in the mirror, wind, and bright lights. I am unsure what to due except schedule a HT and hopefully improve my hairline and replace the lost density. I am 33 years old and would like to keep my hair really short or have the ability to grow it out and part it. I suppose I am just looking for advise, feedback, hope or a dose of reality. - I don't know if I should call it and shave me head. Is vanity preventing me from something less distracting? I just want my hair haha. *Yesterday I received a quorate from Dr. Konior for 2000 grafts. I chose him due to the positive results I have seen on this forum and his ability to make the most out of sparse hair. I am wondering if 2000 is enough? Below is what I sent him and his response. Hair Timeline: 2009 - Began Isoniazid for TB treatment. Diffused and retrograde Hair loss first noticed 2011 - Began Finasteride - Dr. Vogal.....Positive response to oral Finasteride 2015 - Hair Transplant - FUE 1000 (??) graphs - Dr. Jeffery E. Schreiber - I was never pleased with shape of HT - I experienced 2.5 weeks of severe swelling - eyes swollen shut - I am unhappy with the unnatural direction the hair grew. Especially at my temple. It is easily noticeable that I received a procedure. Nov 2018 - D/C oral finasteride - Began topical finasteride - Dr. John Cole Jan - July 2019 - Moved to Europe and was unable to access topical solutions. Took oral 2-3xs per week. Did not notice increased hair shed. Sep 2019 - Began topical finasteride solution again - Dr. John Cole Jan 2020 - Dr. Coles compounding pharmacy changed. - The new pharmacy's solution caused my scalp to become extremely dried and flake. Rapid hair shed began. Due to Covid-19, Dr. Cole's office was not returning calls. 6-7 months before office follow up. Present - On topical finasteride - I am unsure if it is working - I am constanting reassured to keep using it. I am not pleased with the direction my hair has taken since my Dr. Cole began my care. I am sure like many of your patients I am experiencing a great deal of stress everytime I look in the mirror. I am getting close to shaving my head in defeat. Goals: I would like to have the freedom to either keep my hair short and tight or longer with a part. I am aware that I may be asking for a lofty outcome. Current Treatment - 1)Topical finasteride 1x per day 2) Ketoconazole Shampoo 2% - for Seborrheic Dermatitis 3) HIMS shampoo 4) 5 minute head massage at night with a hand held electric massager. 5) 10 minutes every other day under a low level light therapy lamp (non brand name). Email from Dr. Konior The wet hair photos are much better and show that you need at least 2000 grafts to accomplish your goals. In light of your prior FUE harvest, another FUE procedure makes sense if you want the flexibility of wearing short hairstyles in the future. I believe that the ongoing use of stabilization medications is wise as your pattern is certain to progress with age. Stabilization medication will assure that you maintain maximum total density by helping to slow the natural male pattern thinning process. My fee for such a restoration is $25,000. PHOTOS - First 5 are current and from the list is sent to Dr. Konior. - Next 4 are some recent dry hair photos - Next are 2 wet hair from March 2020 - Buzzed hair from 1.5 years ago - Reasonably Ideal hair line (actor from google) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Melvin- Admin Posted April 30, 2021 Administrators Share Posted April 30, 2021 I believe 2,000 grafts will be enough. Are you trying to lower your hairline or reinforce it? Quote I was just an inch away from booking a a hairmill based on google reviews before i stumbled upon this goldmine of a forum. I’m a paid administrator for Hair Transplant Network. I do not receive compensation from any clinic, and my comments are not medical advice. Check out my final hair transplant and topical dutasteride journey: View my thread Topical dutasteride journey Melvin- Managing Publisher and Forum Moderator for the Hair Transplant Network, the Coalition Hair Loss Learning Center, and the Hair Loss Q&A Blog. Follow our Social Media: Facebook, Instagram, Linkedin, and YouTube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member aaron1234 Posted April 30, 2021 Senior Member Share Posted April 30, 2021 Not sure what that 5 min head massage will do for your hair loss... Yeah, 2K grafts sounds about right. I do wonder if your expectations are a little high as you posted Ryan Goslings pics for an ideal hairline. Keep in mind what Dr. K said, further hair loss behind your hair line is going to happen. Use your limited number of grafts wisely. Dr. G: 1,000 grafts (FUT) 2008 Dr. Paul Shapiro: 2,348 grafts (FUT) 2009 ~ 1,999 grafts (FUT) 2011 ~ 300 grafts (Scar Reduction) 2013 Dr. Konior: 771 grafts (FUT) 2015 ~ 558 grafts (FUT) 2017 ~ 1,124 grafts (FUE) 2020 My Hair Transplant Journey with Shapiro Medical Group Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Curious25 Posted April 30, 2021 Senior Member Share Posted April 30, 2021 Why did you originally switch from oral to topical, and why don’t you switch back to oral if you feel topical isn’t working and is causing inflammation to your scalp? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member HairRun Posted April 30, 2021 Senior Member Share Posted April 30, 2021 (edited) He is one of the best in the world. If you Got a date with him and can afford it, go for it Edited April 30, 2021 by HairRun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member BDK081522 Posted April 30, 2021 Senior Member Share Posted April 30, 2021 (edited) I think 2000 is good for reinforcing your frontal third. However, I would be leary of lowering your hairline at all. Dr Konior definitely makes grafts go further due to his implant angles and staggered placement but you have fine hair. It would eat up another 1000 grafts to lower your hairline and have acceptable density if Ryan Gosling is your inspiration photo. You're consulting with one of the top hair restoration surgeons in the world and he'll advise what is best for your future, but be conservative with this transplant. You've already used grafts and finasteride isn't stabilizing as it did in the beginning. You will more than likely need 2-3 to get you where you desire to be. Edited April 30, 2021 by BDK081522 Bosley 11-2016 FUE - 1,407 grafts Dr. Diep 09-2017 FUE - 2,024 grafts Dr. Konior 03-2020 FUE - 2,076 grafts Dr. Konior 09-2021 FUE - 697 scalp to scalp, FUE - 716 beard to beard Total scalp FUE - 6,204 grafts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member HappyMan2021 Posted April 30, 2021 Senior Member Share Posted April 30, 2021 25k! Holy moly batman! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Al - Moderator Posted May 1, 2021 Moderators Share Posted May 1, 2021 $25,000 for 2,000 grafts!? That's $12.50 per graft! Al Forum Moderator (formerly BeHappy) I am a paid forum moderator for hairrestorationnetwork.com. I am not a Dr. and I do not work for any particular Dr. My opinions are my own and may not reflect the opinions of other moderators or the owner of this site. I am also a hair transplant patient and repair patient. You can view some of my repair journey here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member MachoVato Posted May 2, 2021 Senior Member Share Posted May 2, 2021 9 hours ago, BeHappy said: $25,000 for 2,000 grafts!? That's $12.50 per graft! Yup. Konior is the "money is no object" option. World class, no doubt. Personally, I'd rather go to Bisanga or someone like that to get 2000 grafts. Then next year, go back to Bisanga to refine the hairline with another 200-500 grafts at a *much* lower cost! HLC Ankara | 4261 Grafts | Nov 7, 2020 (Hairline) Dr. Bisanga, BHR Clinic in Brussels | 1528 Grafts | Aug 12, 2021 (Crown and Temples) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member aaron1234 Posted May 2, 2021 Senior Member Share Posted May 2, 2021 On 5/1/2021 at 10:33 AM, BeHappy said: $25,000 for 2,000 grafts!? That's $12.50 per graft! In my experience with Dr. K I always got more grafts than the initial quote, just something to keep in mind. Dr. G: 1,000 grafts (FUT) 2008 Dr. Paul Shapiro: 2,348 grafts (FUT) 2009 ~ 1,999 grafts (FUT) 2011 ~ 300 grafts (Scar Reduction) 2013 Dr. Konior: 771 grafts (FUT) 2015 ~ 558 grafts (FUT) 2017 ~ 1,124 grafts (FUE) 2020 My Hair Transplant Journey with Shapiro Medical Group Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member makehairgreatagain Posted May 3, 2021 Senior Member Share Posted May 3, 2021 You'll always find someone who can do work cheaper in any regard. The question you have to ask yourself is, are you ok with the cheaper results? Often times it leads to a more expensive situation down the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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