Eugenix - NW 6 - 8196 total grafts (4628 in 2022, 3568 in 2024)

[Rawkerboi]

16 hours ago, GeneralNorwood said:

 

 

Standard consultations are closed.

Consultations for 900 euro are open and you have to wait few months to get one. Then they schedule your surgery in 3 years. They can sign you on cancellation list, but nothing is promised. 

This bit crazy. Seriously!

900 Eros for consultation dam that's too much. How much he used to charge for normal consultation?

[caveman]

On 5/20/2024 at 2:05 AM, sekiro109 said:

@caveman and agree with others here, the SMP + buzz cut actually looks good. I can't even tell you had SMP in the pictures. Can you go into a bit of detail how the process was? Did you have to completely shave your head to get the SMP done? 

@sekiro109 sorry just seeing this buddy. The SMP required me to trim my head down to a 1 guard. I believe you can also do it with long hair for density but I would recommend definitely not doing it that way. Often times they will use darker pigments and larger needles in that case and then if you ever trim your hair down it will look odd.

SMP is usually done in 2-3 sessions. The first session is the longest. Usually several hours (4-5) and they lightly cover the entire scalp. 2 weeks later I had a second session. By this time the pigment from the first is basically faded. The second session really adds the color and density. I technically had a 3rd session included in my price to do minor tweaks and touch ups so it could look  even better but I never went as it was too far from me and I had plans to do a hair transplant. 
 

I rocked my SMP with a 0.5 guard all over the head and it looked 🔥. I’m indoor setting or less harsh lighting it’s practically undetectable. If you’re under a large light or outdoors in bright sunlight, the SMP does get washed out. I think it’s honestly a solid option for those that can’t get a hair transplant. I will say though, because I have hair all over my head, the 3D look is really good. If someone is slick bald with SMP it may not look as good. 
 

let me know if you have any other questions

 

side note - what you are seeing in my pictures is healed SMP. Lot of posts online from SMP artists are fresh results that look much darker than they will ultimately be. 

 

[caveman]

On 5/13/2024 at 1:01 PM, GeneralNorwood said:

200 grafts is like 5cm2 with 40grafts/cm2 density. So imagine area of 10cm x 0,5 cm. So you can lower 10 cm of hairline by 0,5 cm

@GeneralNorwoodgoing back to this. I kinda measured my scalp and it looks like the corners I would only adjust them in 1x1 cm area for each side. With the calculations above I’d only need about 40 grafts/cm2 on each corner. Even if I gave some room for error in my measurements and double it, I can use less than 200 grafts for this change. Is there anything wrong the way I’m calculating it? What do you think? Added some pictures for anyones opinions. Also with the same estimates graft count, I think 2000 grafts would give me solid density in the crown as well. 
 

@Melvin- Admin @Berba11 any thoughts on this dudes?

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[GeneralNorwood]

22 minutes ago, caveman said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wow, i didn't expect that your hairline is so low. It's like 6,5 cm -7cm from glabella to the MFP. I can't see exact number, because hair are combed forward and hairline is not visible. Could you make same picture but with holding your hair  back? I know that hair are short, but still you should be able to this, but i guess you need to ask somebody to hold the tape

[caveman]

@GeneralNorwood Haha yeah so the hairline is at 7cm but the little widow peak is at around 6.5cm. That is actually correct and the way it is. As for another picture I can’t do it lol you are correct I need someone to take the picture. This is pretty accurate though, the hair isn’t growing long to make the hairline look lower.

[GeneralNorwood]

Anyway, i can only repeat that don't change your hairline in second procedure, it's fine. If after next procedure you still won't be happy about how hair are growing in the front, then we can return to this talk. 

 

My MFP is little lower, it is 6 cm and it is too low for my condition. Maybe in the future i will need to extract 1000 grafts from the hairline, that is the reality. 

 

Did you schedule some consultations with other surgeons?

[caveman]

Aight sounds good. And I reached out to a few places yes. Still speaking with eugenix but they haven’t really responded to me since last week. I’m trying to keep options open. I talked to yaman, turan, and HDC. Also reached out to Laorwong but waiting to hear back. 
 

am considering reaching out to Michalis Georgiou as well. You said muresanu is good too right? I think he’s out of my budget probably 

[GeneralNorwood]

1 hour ago, caveman said:

You said muresanu is good too right? I think he’s out of my budget probably 

But you can consult with him anyway  #lifehack

[caveman]

6 hours ago, GeneralNorwood said:

But you can consult with him anyway  #lifehack

LOL true that. I’ll send him a message and see what he would recommend. 

[Rawkerboi]

On 5/26/2024 at 8:28 AM, caveman said:

Aight sounds good. And I reached out to a few places yes. Still speaking with eugenix but they haven’t really responded to me since last week. I’m trying to keep options open. I talked to yaman, turan, and HDC. Also reached out to Laorwong but waiting to hear back. 
 

am considering reaching out to Michalis Georgiou as well. You said muresanu is good too right? I think he’s out of my budget probably 

Laorwong is booked for one year and hence there is a delay from his side.

I think you should consult Dr Bicer too, wonderful doctor and very involved in surgeries

[caveman]

11 hours ago, Rawkerboi said:

Laorwong is booked for one year and hence there is a delay from his side.

I think you should consult Dr Bicer too, wonderful doctor and very involved in surgeries

Ah thanks for the heads up. Makes sense why I’m not hearing back then. They’re probably too busy. I can’t wait a year, so going there is out of the options.

I actually reached out to bicer before my first procedure and decided not to go with her. I reached out this time as well and did not hear back. I’m honestly personally not floored with her results anyways.

Right now I’m very interested in HDC but unsure if I prefer Christina vs Maras 

[Al - Moderator]

You should concentrate on getting density all over and forget about lowering the hair line for now. I know I wish I could lower my own hair line just slightly, so I measured mine to compare it with yours. I'm 8.5 cm to the corners (you are about 7.5) and I'm 7.5 in the front (you are 6). I'm looking at myself and thinking I probably wouldn't want to go lower than your numbers even if I could. 

 

[caveman]

2 hours ago, Al - Moderator said:

You should concentrate on getting density all over and forget about lowering the hair line for now. I know I wish I could lower my own hair line just slightly, so I measured mine to compare it with yours. I'm 8.5 cm to the corners (you are about 7.5) and I'm 7.5 in the front (you are 6). I'm looking at myself and thinking I probably wouldn't want to go lower than your numbers even if I could. 

 

Thanks @Al - Moderator for your feedback. As much as I want to do something with these corners the more and more I think about it, the more it seems like I shouldn’t do it. You along with many others have given me the same suggestions, so for now I think I will fill behind the hairline.

I have been quoted about 4000 grafts by HDC to get complete density behind the hairline. I think I will move forward with this plan. (Any thoughts on if this graft count seems appropriate?) I can’t really envision how it would look with more hair but I am hoping the added density in the midscalp will allow me to cover the corners without having to lower them.

As far as comparing distances with my hairline, I wanted to mention that I did get a widows peak which is a great idea that makes the hairline seems lower than it truly is! The main hairline is about 7cm from the glabella, while the widows peak is right around 6.5! My only issue with this is that from a side angle it makes the corners look more receded. I still do think it’s worth it cause it was minimal grafts and made a nice aesthetic difference 😃 

 

[caveman]

Hello everyone. I am here again looking for advice. 
 

I have been growing my hair out for several months now. As you can see there is significant improvement since the pre transplant photos, but I still look bald lol. I am looking to fix this and am unsure of what to do. 
 

I met with dr muresanu recently for an in person consult. His opinion was that he can safely take 2000 grafts (FUE) from the donor while still maintaining some aesthetic in this region. Remaining could be beard grafts ( he said about 600ish) and he felt this would give me decent coverage in front and midscalp and leave the crown a bit thinner.

I also placed a deposit at eugenix, and their plan basically lined up with dr sever’s. They recommended 3000 grafts between scalp and beard to cover all the weak areas (which is basically the whole scalp).

I am wondering if I should go through with the surgery. Do you guys think that 3000 grafts will create enough visual difference for me to be happy? I have high expectations to be honest. 
 

i used topical minoxidil in the past with decent results and was considering starting it before the transplant for a while. Dr sever believed this was a good idea. Eugenix said we can do the transplant first and then begin the minoxidil again. ( I have read online that minoxidil before transplant can skew the visual density enough to affect the transplant process in terms of how many grafts are taken and which grafts are taken. Have also read the opposite and that it’s good to take min before the surgery).

I am on the fence of what to do. Please help. I have significant thinning all over the scalp still, but minoxidil will definitely thicken things up for more visual coverage ( I am being optimistic 😊). However, the lateral humps and crown do not have grafts for coverage to begin with so I will definitely get a transplant in the future anyways.

 

So, what do you guys think. Should I move forward with surgery 2 and then start minoxidil? Or should I wait and do minoxidil first? Also will 3000 grafts give me enough coverage where I visually would not look balding anymore?

 

ALSO. Does it look like I’m looking more thin than I did last year? It’s hard for me to tell. Please keep in mind I also have SMP under this hair.

Thanks everyone and please let me know.

 

[caveman]

SECOND SURGERY:

For those who have been following my journey, I have just returned home from my second trip to Eugenix. I again had an incredible experience and fully enjoyed my time with the loving staff in India.

 

Plan: during the first sitting we were able to cover my entire norwood 6 head with about 4600 grafts. Obviously, the density wasn’t at a level that I was satisfied with and this warranted a second sitting. We were to focus on adding density behind the hairline, lateral humps, and crown.

Dr. Pradeep did the planning and design along with Dr. Das. They were aware that I wanted to slightly adjust my left temple point, but only if I had enough donor capacity. I was unwilling to sacrifice density to make this change. After review, Dr. Pradeep was quite confident that we could adjust the temple points while also reinforcing the hairline. The design was beautiful and I accepted.

 

SURGERY

Before coming to India, the plan was to use 3000 grafts to augment the first transplant. We ended up being able implant 3568 grafts.
 

Grafts came from back and sides of the head, neck beard, nape, side locks, and chest.

The left side of my donor area was extracted more in the first sitting so it was used less in this surgery. Additionally, the team tried to homogenize the donor area and make things as even as possible. 
 

Chest grafts were used to donor/fit farm both the left and right sides of my head. If these grow well it well open a huge door to restock much of my donor in the future if needed. 
 

Since I style my hair from left to right, there was more density added to the left side of my scalp and lateral hump.

 

The team:

As I mentioned, Dr. Pradeep did the planning and design. His presence is incredible and his confidence gives the patient confidence. You can tell he puts his heart into things and truly cares about the results that he produces.
 

I wanted to give a big shoutout to Ajay and Satendra (I think that was his name) who took great care of me while I visited eugenix. 
 

Dr Das is an amazing doctor. She fully listened to my concerns and answered any questions I had. In fact, it felt as though she was fully invested in making sure things were perfect. Throughout the surgery she kept coming back to make fine adjustments to assure that I would get the incredible result I desire. At no point did she rush through things and I felt I was in good hands.

 

Side Note:

Dr P said my SMP was the best he’s ever seen on brown skin. Not sure if he was just hyping me up but it felt great to hear that lol. I will say it definitely adds a lot to the overall look when hair was buzzed down. He said he plans to use my SMP as a case study for teaching in the future which was great to hear 😊.

 

Pictures:

Here is a pre (second sitting) -transplant picture:

 

Here is 3 days post-op:

 

I’ll post more pictures once I receive them from eugenix. I have high hopes that the second sitting will help me achieve my goals.

 

Thanks everyone for checking out my post.

[StoneCold]

Thanks @caveman for the update. It was great following your journey first time around. Looking forward to your progress in the coming months!  Planning to get a HT done from Eugenix myself.

[omarca]

Great my friend !! Cheers hope you the best !

btw which smp clinic you whent ? I thnk i need density illusion in the swirl lol !!

[caveman]

29 minutes ago, omarca said:

Great my friend !! Cheers hope you the best !

btw which smp clinic you whent ? I thnk i need density illusion in the swirl lol !!

I went to art of SMP in New York. My boy tame hooked me up there. I will mention that his style of SMP is a bit different than places like Scalp Micro USA. Scalp micro does more circular dots while the place I went does more linear strokes. I think there’s benefits and drawbacks to both. However the price difference between the 2 was so great that I opted for the cheaper clinic and was still very happy with the results.
 

PS:  nah dude your hair is 10/10!!!!

[caveman]

@StoneCold goodluck with your surgery brother 💪🏽 

[Al - Moderator]

18 hours ago, caveman said:

I went to art of SMP in New York. My boy tame hooked me up there. I will mention that his style of SMP is a bit different than places like Scalp Micro USA. Scalp micro does more circular dots while the place I went does more linear strokes. I think there’s benefits and drawbacks to both. However the price difference between the 2 was so great that I opted for the cheaper clinic and was still very happy with the results.

 

Linear strokes are better if you want to keep your hair long. The short line strokes look more like hairs growing when it's under thin hair that has some length. Dots are better for someone who buzzes.

 

[Al - Moderator]

It looks good. This should hopefully fill everything in and give you that extra density that was needed after the first one. Something I didn't mention before is that when you add density to thinning hair it can make the hairline look slightly lower because you have more fullness above the hairline.

 

[caveman]

Can we please change the title to:

Eugenix/ Norwood 6/ 8196 grafts/ 2022,2024

 

@Melvin- Admin @Al - Moderator

Thank you.

Edited August 19 by caveman
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[Al - Moderator]

2 hours ago, caveman said:

Can we please change the title to:

Eugenix/ Norwood 6/ 8196 grafts/ 2022,2024

 

@Melvin- Admin @Al - Moderator

Thank you.

 

Changed it to:

Eugenix - NW 6 - 8196 total grafts (4628 in 2022, 3568 in 2024)

 

[Melvin- Admin]

Amazing happy growing man, can’t wait to follow your second surgery 🙏

[caveman]

Debrief of Second Surgery:

Graft breakdown:

Singles: Scalp 500 Beard 624 Chest 207

Doubles: 1630

Triples:483

Quadruples:124

Goal density - frontal 40 FU/cm2, midscalp 35 FU/cm2, crown 25-30 FU/cm2

1260 grafts to frontal, 900 grafts to midscalp, 761 grafts to crown. Rest in temples and donor farming.

I wasn’t aware only 761 grafts were used in crown. But per the doctors this will be enough (thought we’d use double).