Glenn Charles, FUT 3300, Jan 2022 - Before/After pics + Looking for recommendations on next surgeon for 2nd transplant

[andy_+_+]

Great news that Dr.Charles will work with the patient. I hope that we hear what the resolution is. Its great to have avenues such as this site to give real feedback. As it sounded it was this result is good enough and now that its being discussed as not a good result there will hopefully be action taken for the patient(customer).

[A_4_Archan]

Lets see what dr charles has to offer now...i wish he cn fix this...

[Sportman]

Dr Charles answer to the patient was patetic. 

There is no way he implanted 3.300 graft. 

This forum should have a surgeon black list with this doctor topping the list

[A_4_Archan]

On 2/15/2023 at 7:49 PM, pb3454 said:

 

as far as i can tell from the forum, some very good doctors are in turkey.  plus i can take a Europe vacation first and finish it in turkey with the surgery.

I would like to spend no more than $5/graft if possible.  im seeing very good results for $1 to $5 per graft on this forum. 

Konior is way too expensive for me.  Couto wasnt available until 2024, and i can check the other doctors you mentioned as well

 

thanks for the recommendations!

 

 

 

Edited March 15, 2023 by Archan

[A_4_Archan]

On 2/15/2023 at 7:49 PM, pb3454 said:

 

as far as i can tell from the forum, some very good doctors are in turkey.  plus i can take a Europe vacation first and finish it in turkey with the surgery.

I would like to spend no more than $5/graft if possible.  im seeing very good results for $1 to $5 per graft on this forum. 

Konior is way too expensive for me.  Couto wasnt available until 2024, and i can check the other doctors you mentioned as well

 

thanks for the recommendations!

 

 

If you have a budget of around 4 to 5 $ thn according to your situation imo you should look at dr pittela who is producing super good results with high norwood cases ..his price is 4$ and its worth considering him....

 

And wht was the answer by dr charles? 

Edited March 15, 2023 by Archan

[Melvin- Admin]

2 hours ago, Sportman said:

Dr Charles answer to the patient was patetic. 

There is no way he implanted 3.300 graft. 

This forum should have a surgeon black list with this doctor topping the list

While I appreciate your valid concerns. When I spoke to Dr. Charles he did let me know that it was 3,300 grafts, but many of those were singles, so he doubled them up to add more density. He also stated he was willing to work with this patient to offer a free touch-up, or possibly refund some money. I believe his actions do show he’s standing by the patient. Hopefully, OP can let us know what solution was reached. 

[pb3454]

UPDATE:

 

Dr Charles gave me a 23% refund of my total cost paid, and we resolved the case. 

Thanks for everyone on this thread for the assistance!

 

[andy_+_+]

6 hours ago, pb3454 said:

UPDATE:

 

Dr Charles gave me a 23% refund of my total cost paid, and we resolved the case. 

Thanks for everyone on this thread for the assistance!

 

Good to hear that you feel good about the conclusion to your transplant with Dr.Charles. Good for him and trying to make the patient as happy as can be in this case. Any thoughts on who you will go to next?

[XavierJB]

I came across this and feel like I should add my experience with Charles and this forum. For some pretext I'm back on this forum after not being a reader of it for over a year. Im back because of all the great FUE result cases linked to here, particularly because of the incredible results of Pittella. Why I took a leave of absence from reading this forum? well because I put too much blind faith in its surgeon list and went to the surgeon near me (about 4 hours drive) Glenn Charles and paid for a 2000 graft FUT that left a forked scar and practically no results. It left me thinking the forum was a scam site, no offense.. Alas Im back now and reading some great info and taking my time doing much more due diligence this time around.. that being said, I wouldnt go back to Dr. Charles even if it were free at this point. He was a nice guy for sure. but Im not sure why hes on the list here. Even the B&A's on his site arent that good at all, and the good ones are usually showing before any procedure and then after multiple procedures (with the afters being more favorably lighting conditions.) I dont have many pics on my phone of my personal B&A but i can dig up something if people would like.

[Berba11]

On 1/17/2024 at 1:21 AM, XavierJB said:

I came across this and feel like I should add my experience with Charles and this forum. For some pretext I'm back on this forum after not being a reader of it for over a year. Im back because of all the great FUE result cases linked to here, particularly because of the incredible results of Pittella. Why I took a leave of absence from reading this forum? well because I put too much blind faith in its surgeon list and went to the surgeon near me (about 4 hours drive) Glenn Charles and paid for a 2000 graft FUT that left a forked scar and practically no results. It left me thinking the forum was a scam site, no offense.. Alas Im back now and reading some great info and taking my time doing much more due diligence this time around.. that being said, I wouldnt go back to Dr. Charles even if it were free at this point. He was a nice guy for sure. but Im not sure why hes on the list here. Even the B&A's on his site arent that good at all, and the good ones are usually showing before any procedure and then after multiple procedures (with the afters being more favorably lighting conditions.) I dont have many pics on my phone of my personal B&A but i can dig up something if people would like.

Would definitely be helpful to see your B&A’s. 
 

You may of seen that the way the forum recommended surgeons are approved & monitored has now changed so if there’s concerns about a surgeon among posters, then the more pictures & info available the better so that a review process can begin. Without pics & so on there’s not a lot the consul can go on!

[Chetman2112]

Dr. Charles should not be on this list, one look at his patients and it’s obvious he’s a Dinosaur in the hair transplant community! 

[Stavros]

On 2/19/2023 at 11:30 AM, Melvin- Admin said:

I spoke with Dr. Glenn charles who told me he was going to speak with this patient, he’s always willing to work with his patients to make them happy. I felt very good after our conversation that he’s willing to do what it takes to make this patient happy. 

As for the number of grafts, it’s definitely 3,300, a lot of grafts were singles, which were combined into slits to increase density. 

I think you guys supporting Dr. Charles is not a good look, with a quick search Dr. Charles short changing his patients on the number of grafts is widely known.. he claims it’s his enemies posting the bad reviews (like he’s the tinder swindler) on top of that his solutions are “free second surgeries”. (Who wants to ruin their donor area with the guy that already provided zero results) He always says he “doubles up to increase density” but he has the worst density with the number of grafts he claims in the entire business.  Im trying to work on a solution with him outside of a free surgery from the guy who gave me a hair transplant that caused me to have less hair than before the transplant… if the solution is not to my liking I’ll post an overwhelming amount of evidence for you to stop defending him and leading people astray. 

[Melvin- Admin]

2 hours ago, Stavros said:

I think you guys supporting Dr. Charles is not a good look, with a quick search Dr. Charles short changing his patients on the number of grafts is widely known.. he claims it’s his enemies posting the bad reviews (like he’s the tinder swindler) on top of that his solutions are “free second surgeries”. (Who wants to ruin their donor area with the guy that already provided zero results) He always says he “doubles up to increase density” but he has the worst density with the number of grafts he claims in the entire business.  Im trying to work on a solution with him outside of a free surgery from the guy who gave me a hair transplant that caused me to have less hair than before the transplant… if the solution is not to my liking I’ll post an overwhelming amount of evidence for you to stop defending him and leading people astray. 

The board and I reviewed him recently. Although, he’s had some recent shortcomings. The board felt he is still acting in good faith providing touch-ups and partial refunds when warranted. They didn’t feel removing him was appropriate yet. 

But by all means share the evidence. Pat and I no longer make the sole decision. It’s voted on by our board of valued contributors. They are unpaid volunteers that are knowledgeable and highly esteemed in our community. 

I have granted you access to send a private message so feel free to message either of us. 

@Berba11

@Steeeve

@Gatsby

@Al - Moderator

@A_4_Archan

[andy_+_+]

2 hours ago, Stavros said:

I think you guys supporting Dr. Charles is not a good look, with a quick search Dr. Charles short changing his patients on the number of grafts is widely known.. he claims it’s his enemies posting the bad reviews (like he’s the tinder swindler) on top of that his solutions are “free second surgeries”. (Who wants to ruin their donor area with the guy that already provided zero results) He always says he “doubles up to increase density” but he has the worst density with the number of grafts he claims in the entire business.  Im trying to work on a solution with him outside of a free surgery from the guy who gave me a hair transplant that caused me to have less hair than before the transplant… if the solution is not to my liking I’ll post an overwhelming amount of evidence for you to stop defending him and leading people astray. 

Some good points made in your post. I think that there is a scale or there are significant plateaus for doctors. Some are truly elite, some are okay and some are behind the times....research, research, research.

I always end up looking at doctors websites recommended here and not by this site. If a doctor doesn't have great before/after pictures(should have videos as well with todays technology) that is a telling sign as their cherry picking the best cases for the most part.

[andy_+_+]

Just now, Melvin- Admin said:

The board and I reviewed him recently. Although, he’s had some recent shortcomings. The board felt he is still acting in good faith providing touch-ups and partial refunds when warranted. They didn’t feel removing him was appropriate yet. 

But by all means share the evidence. I no longer make the sole decision. It’s voted on by our board of valued contributors. They are unpaid volunteers that are knowledgeable and highly esteemed in our community. 

I have granted you access to send a private message so feel free to message either of us. 

@Berba11

@Steeeve

@Gatsby

@Al - Moderator

@A_4_Archan

This is very interesting information. Having a board is a great idea!

[Melvin- Admin]

20 minutes ago, andy_+_+ said:

This is very interesting information. Having a board is a great idea!

Thank you, it’s the best way to add/remove a doctor. It serves as a checks and balance to ensure we’re adding and removing physicians appropriately. 

[Al - Moderator]

I'll make some general comments not necessarily about Dr Charles, but may be at least part of the issue. A lot of people see the "wow" results from Drs doing 6,000 to 10,000 graft surgeries and sometimes the results of 2 or 3 surgeries and they think that's what to expect from a hair transplant. Maybe they can expect that if they went to a certain few Drs, but if you go to a conservative Dr who doesn't do 6,000 graft procedures and expect to have a "wow" result where you go from a NW 6 to a full head of hair with one session of 3,000 grafts then your expectation is out of line with reality. That doesn't mean conservative approach Drs are no good or out of date. It means you aren't choosing a Dr who is right for you. I'd say the same about someone who wants some minor touchup on the hairline, but goes to a Dr who routinely does megasessions and then complains that the Dr did a lot more grafts then they wanted. It's why we encourage everyone to do their research. We can give you a starting point by showing you a list of Drs that we feel are some of the best ones in the world, but that does not mean they are all the same and all have the same philosophy of what a hair transplant should be or do. That is just a starting list for you, so you know you're not picking a hair mill or unknown Dr who may leave you looking much worse than you started. After that it's up to you to review them on here and decide which ones line up with what you are looking for which not only includes what type of hairline or how aggressive (or not) to be, but also price, location, and other issues as well.

 

[Stavros]

Dr. Charles seems to create worse results comparing equal grafts… in fact I am significantly worse after the procedure than before the procedure… just waiting to see if we resolve the problems this week before I drop everything on all the groups and forums 

[Stavros]

the consistent bad reviews on Dr. Charles... worse than ANY other doctor (especially at his price point) leads me to believe that this IS ABSOLUTELY a Dr. Charles issue and not a client expectation issue.... i think its time we stop blaming the victims here and have these doctor be accountable for their actions.

[maxgraft]

I’ve done 5500 grafts with Dr Charles over two surgeries. I am a several months out from my second surgery with him. I was concerned with my density and he told me that I had a bunch of 1s and that he had to double up. However, if he doubled up 100% of my 1s, I still should’ve bad 2000 holes on my head. I counted no more than 800 tops on my second surgery. He said that you can’t count the holes and that he discourages patients from doing that because you can’t see them all.

 Similar to others, I trusted the list on here in 2019 when I did my first procedure. I didn’t really compare my results to others on here but time I have and I feel that I may have been shorted on my grafts by at least 50% or more.

In trying to be fair to the process, and clinging on to hope that I truly can’t count grafts via images I took, I am waiting for the full twelve months prior to drawing a conclusion.

Btw, My friend also got theirs done by him and their density looks far worse than mine.

 He’s a nice guy with a great staff but I get the sense like others that he is actually doing less than he says he is. People talk and this is how class actions form

Edited July 3 by maxgraft

[Stavros]

7 minutes ago, maxgraft said:

I’ve done 5500 grafts with Dr Charles over two surgeries. I am a several months out from my second surgery with him. I was concerned with my density and he told me that I had a bunch of 1s and that he had to double up. However, if he doubled up 100% of my 1s, I still should’ve bad 2000 holes on my head. I counted no more than 800 tops on my second surgery. He said that you can’t count the holes and that he discourages patients from doing that because you can’t see them all.

 Similar to others, I trusted the list on here in 2019 when I did my first procedure. I didn’t really compare my results to others on here but time I have and I feel that I may have been shorted on my grafts by at least 50% or more.

In trying to be fair to the process, and clinging on to hope that I truly can’t count grafts via images I took, I am waiting for the full twelve months prior to drawing a conclusion.

Btw, My friend also got theirs done by him and their density looks far worse than mine.

 He’s a nice guy with a great staff but I get the sense like others that he is actually doing less than he says he is. People talk and this is how class actions form

Can you please post photos…

[Alex27O]

I had a similar experience with one of the other posters. 
 

I got over 5400 grafts done by Dr.Glenn Charles over 2 surgeries. I was pretty bald so I knew that one surgery wouldn’t cut it, what gave me hope was that he said that my donor hair was thick and full so the results should be good.
 

I’m over two years out from the second surgery and the results aren’t good. There’s obviously an improvement but nowhere near where I think it should be. Please understand that I had conservative expectations for the surgery, I knew I wouldn’t have hair from when I was 17.
 

My hair is still quite thin in spots where he transplanted. I was also told by the doctor that I had more 1s than 3s so he had to double up for density. I also found it a little odd that my second surgery of over 2600 grafts was done in around 5 hours which seemed a little too quick for me. Overall, the density is somewhat poor in my case. 

I’ve spoken to the doctor about a year ago and he said that not everyone can get the results they want. He’s a nice guy and his staff are very professional but it’s concerning that more negative stories about Dr.Charles are popping up.

Edited July 4 by Alex27O

[BuckRogers]

Thank you everyone for your feedback about Dr. Glenn Charles. I thought he was highly recommended by the Hair Transplant forum. I've very much misled.

I will be canceling my upcoming surgery with him.

If anyone knows of a great surgeon in the Naples, Florida area please let me know.

[Melvin- Admin]

On 7/3/2024 at 5:18 PM, Alex27O said:

I had a similar experience with one of the other posters. 
 

I got over 5400 grafts done by Dr.Glenn Charles over 2 surgeries. I was pretty bald so I knew that one surgery wouldn’t cut it, what gave me hope was that he said that my donor hair was thick and full so the results should be good.
 

I’m over two years out from the second surgery and the results aren’t good. There’s obviously an improvement but nowhere near where I think it should be. Please understand that I had conservative expectations for the surgery, I knew I wouldn’t have hair from when I was 17.
 

My hair is still quite thin in spots where he transplanted. I was also told by the doctor that I had more 1s than 3s so he had to double up for density. I also found it a little odd that my second surgery of over 2600 grafts was done in around 5 hours which seemed a little too quick for me. Overall, the density is somewhat poor in my case. 

I’ve spoken to the doctor about a year ago and he said that not everyone can get the results they want. He’s a nice guy and his staff are very professional but it’s concerning that more negative stories about Dr.Charles are popping up.

Can you share your experience with photos in a separate thread?

[BaldingBogger]

I've been around a while and Dr Charles has always been a nice guy and contributor to these forums, but i have never seen work from him , that would make me trust him for a procedure.  To be frank the work has always been moderate or sub par even posted from the clinic.  These reports are concerning and people need to research carefully before pulling the trigger particularly with FUT.  Frankly i think people are nuts getting FUT for this very reason.  If things go badly , Shave down option is possible with FUE. Or SMP etc.