Imaginaryhero Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 Hopefully there should be other ways to administer the drug as well instead of injecting as that could be a bit inconsistent … maybe microneedle patches or other means … so much potential Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member takuma Posted June 29 Regular Member Share Posted June 29 (edited) a user on Reddit is saying they have a verteporfin hair transplant procedure scheduled for October of this year and they said the doctor has done transplants for other patients with verteporfin already Edited June 29 by takuma 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Fox243 Posted June 29 Regular Member Share Posted June 29 2 hours ago, Carson85 said: Completely agree that it does seem to be doing something. Whether or not what it is doing can be significant enough to completely revolutionize hair transplants still needs to be researched further, and I think we all hope that Dr. Bargouthi’s trial gives a positive answer to this question. Only thing about downsides is that we don’t know if there are any long term side effects caused by vert We have pretty good understanding of long term side effects. This has been fda approved by several decades and used in much higher doses intravenously. It’s also just a one time application unlike the meds that crush DHT that we take lifelong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member sansi Posted June 29 Regular Member Share Posted June 29 I am not very impressed with the outcome esthetic result and hair count. But when you compare 0.8mg site with untreated site and see what it would've been without verteporfin, it's day and night difference. And it is the 3rd surgery with very high tension. In FUE I imagine the result will be much better. Hope @DrTBarghouthi will add good news soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Square1 Posted June 29 Regular Member Share Posted June 29 4 hours ago, Fox243 said: Can you connect him with me? I can handhold him into explaining the science and such. I have offered it to him, so let's see if he is interested. He mentioned that he has been asked earlier to do a vp-trial, but declined. This means that others (I have never spoken to him before) are asking him about vp. Word gets around appararently. Also, it seems that a second doc finding an vp-effect convinced him to take it more seriously. I can imagine this holds true for more docs as well. One person finding an effect in one occasion is nice and all, but if a completely different surgeon finds the same, that is much stronger proof. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Fox243 Posted June 29 Regular Member Share Posted June 29 5 minutes ago, Square1 said: I have offered it to him, so let's see if he is interested. He mentioned that he has been asked earlier to do a vp-trial, but declined. This means that others (I have never spoken to him before) are asking him about vp. Word gets around appararently. Also, it seems that a second doc finding an vp-effect convinced him to take it more seriously. I can imagine this holds true for more docs as well. One person finding an effect in one occasion is nice and all, but if a completely different surgeon finds the same, that is much stronger proof. There’s just so much evidence now, be it Dr. Barghouthi’s biopsy, his pics, and Dr. Bloxham’s pics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member takuma Posted June 29 Regular Member Share Posted June 29 Dr Ratchathorn is in contact with Dr Bargouthi...maybe we can get her to update us as well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Carson85 Posted June 29 Regular Member Share Posted June 29 Obv the main interest is seeing if vert is able to significantly regenerate follicles in the donor region of the scalp, which still requires a lot more research. If things turn out the way we hope they do, is it worth exploring if vert can be used to regenerate follicles in other areas, like the beard? Let’s assume that a patient has significant baldness and a bad donor area, so many beard grafts need to be used too, but the patient would still like to keep a beard. Maybe vert can help regenerate beard follicles, if it is able to regenerate scalp follicles like we hope. Obviously this is all very hypothetical, and there is a long way to go before this is even considered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Fox243 Posted June 29 Regular Member Share Posted June 29 3 hours ago, takuma said: Dr Ratchathorn is in contact with Dr Bargouthi...maybe we can get her to update us as well... I asked IronAnger if she has any photos from her patients, but unfortunately nobody has provided photos to her 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Dragonsphere Posted June 29 Regular Member Share Posted June 29 I just noticed something in Dr Bloxham's video. Listen between 30:55 - 31:25. Sounds like there have been promising results yet to be posted from Dr Barghouthi's new trial. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Square1 Posted June 30 Regular Member Share Posted June 30 (edited) 11 hours ago, Dragonsphere said: I just noticed something in Dr Bloxham's video. Listen between 30:55 - 31:25. Sounds like there have been promising results yet to be posted from Dr Barghouthi's new trial. I took it that he went up in dosage in his current trial, but that he found a greater effect of higher dosages in his previous trial. Of course, if he now finds higher dosages than 0.4 are even more effective, that is huge seeing how impressive 0.4 already was. Edited June 30 by Square1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Fox243 Posted June 30 Regular Member Share Posted June 30 Would love to hear @Melvin- Admintake on the results 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Hair Tomorrow Posted June 30 Regular Member Share Posted June 30 I would also be very keen to hear the very latest update from Dr Bargouthi's trial of 0.4ml, 0.6ml, 0.8ml and 1ml Verteporfin per CM2 so we know what best to proceed with in our experiments. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member TV_on_LazerDisk Posted July 1 Regular Member Share Posted July 1 (edited) On 6/30/2024 at 7:25 PM, Hair Tomorrow said: I would also be very keen to hear the very latest update from Dr Bargouthi's trial of 0.4ml, 0.6ml, 0.8ml and 1ml Verteporfin per CM2 so we know what best to proceed with in our experiments. Medications administered by subcutaneous injection include drugs that can be given in small volumes (usually less than 1 mL but up to 2 mL is safe) So around 2mL depending on the area is the upper limit Edited July 2 by TV_on_LazerDisk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member bigmistake Posted July 2 Regular Member Share Posted July 2 Even if verteporfin does not produce hair follicles and only reduces scarring then that is a big win. Imagine someone has a weak donor and retrograde alopecia. A doctor rejects him stating that if hair is taken from the donor and he looses hair over there in the future then the scars will be exposed. In those cases a doctor may take hair from the donor thinking that verteporfin will reduce scarring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member takuma Posted July 3 Regular Member Share Posted July 3 Okay, this latest Bloxham drop has got me more anxious and excited about Dr Bargouthi's coming update! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member TV_on_LazerDisk Posted July 4 Regular Member Share Posted July 4 On 6/27/2024 at 1:20 AM, TV_on_LazerDisk said: I'd be fascinated what Dr. Mani thinks of derma papillae injections as the same Japanese lab and hairclone is working on that as well and it's allot more modest and easier than cloning a whole hair follicle and could be used to prevent further hair loss. @Melvin- Admin If you have Mani on the podcast next time can you ask him about his opinion of derma papillae injections as well that would be exciting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Shesayshesay Posted July 4 Regular Member Share Posted July 4 13 hours ago, takuma said: Okay, this latest Bloxham drop has got me more anxious and excited about Dr Bargouthi's coming update! Can you sum it up for me? What was said? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricco Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 He administered verteporfin to three patients, but only two were shown in the video. Patient one did not see much improvement. However, patient two achieved significant results, reaching a super saiyan state, although it was not sustained for long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Nikoni Posted July 4 Regular Member Share Posted July 4 hi @Killian, I believe it's been around 5 months since your last surgery and you expected to have an initial assessment of verteporfin by this time . Is there anything worthwhile sharing ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Killian Posted July 4 Regular Member Share Posted July 4 Just now, Nikoni said: hi @Killian, I believe it's been around 5 months since your last surgery and you expected to have an initial assessment of verteporfin by this time . Is there anything worthwhile sharing ? Honestly no, same as last post. Sorry 🤪🤷 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Hair Tomorrow Posted July 4 Regular Member Share Posted July 4 4 hours ago, Killian said: Honestly no, same as last post. Sorry 🤪🤷 What do you guess the optimum dose of Verteporfin Per CM2 for FUE regeneration will be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Killian Posted July 4 Regular Member Share Posted July 4 (edited) 1 hour ago, Hair Tomorrow said: What do you guess the optimum dose of Verteporfin Per CM2 for FUE regeneration will be? I really have no interest in this, sorry. I've moved on, and if I were you I'd do the same. There's more to life than Verteporfin. Been there, done that. Edited July 4 by Killian Autocorrect in error corrected take to done. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Hair Tomorrow Posted July 5 Regular Member Share Posted July 5 (edited) But didn't you use a high dose, like 2ml per CM2? Don't you think 0.8ml of Verteporfin per CM2 will work? "Move on" to what? Edited July 5 by Hair Tomorrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricco Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 2 hours ago, Killian said: I really have no interest in this, sorry. I've moved on, and if I were you I'd do the same. There's more to life than Verteporfin. Been there, done that. Lol, that's a bit of a weird piece of advice. You're literally in a Verteporfin thread telling someone to move on from Verteporfin. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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